Creating An Unforgettable Presence With Lorraine Lee

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Stand out anywhere you go and let others see you by setting an unforgettable presence at all times. Corporate keynote speaker Lorraine Lee is here to share how you can do this and create a lasting impact to the people around you. Joining Tony Martignetti, she looks back on her inspiring journey from traditional journalism to corporate to explain what it takes to make yourself unforgettable through genuine interactions and authenticity. Lorraine also talks about the power of creating your very own career brand, the right way to build your network, and turning imposter syndrome to your advantage.

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Creating An Unforgettable Presence With Lorraine Lee

It is my honor to introduce you to my guest, Lorraine K. Lee. Lorraine is a keynote speaker and the bestselling author of Unforgettable Presence: Get Seen, Gain Influence, and Catapult Your Career. She also teaches popular courses at Stanford Continuing Studies and LinkedIn Learning. She is passionate about empowering leaders to elevate their presence, influence, and impact.

Her frameworks have been adopted by globally recognized organizations like Zoom, Amazon, Cisco, and McKinsey & Company. Lorraine spent over a decade as a founding editor at companies, including LinkedIn and Prezi. Her insights are featured in top media outlets, including CNBC, Bloomberg, and Fast Company. She is a graduate of Northwestern’s Medill School of Journalism and resides in San Francisco. It’s truly an honor and a pleasure to welcome you to the virtual campfire, Lorraine.

Thank you so much for having me. I’m very excited to be here.

Thank you so much for coming on board. We’re going to have a great conversation. I’m so excited to dig into your journey to making such an impact in the world. I loved your book. I’m excited that we get a chance to dive into the book as well and learn more about how to have an unforgettable presence. I’m thrilled.

Let’s do it.

Understanding The Real Meaning Of Presence

As we do on the show, we navigate people’s stories through what’s called flashpoints. Flashpoints are these moments in our lives that have ignited our gifts into the world. I’m going to turn over to you in a moment and have you share what you’re called to share. You can start wherever you like, and we’ll pause along the way and see what kinds of themes are showing up. Are you ready?

I’m ready.

Take it away.

There are so many flashpoints in my life. I’m like, Which one do I choose? I’ll talk about a few key moments from my career. The first one that comes to mind is my time at LinkedIn. I was there for six years. I was a founding editor. It was quite a formative experience. My time there influenced and inspired the book Unforgettable Presence. I loved my job there, worked hard, was able to collaborate on high-visibility projects, and was well-liked by my coworkers. You would think all these things would lead to a promotion or some sort of advancement in the company. Unfortunately, as hard as I pushed and as frustrated as I got, it didn’t happen for me.

What ended up happening through that is I ended up leaving to go to a company called Prezi. During that time in between, I had a lot of time to reflect and think about, “What went wrong? What could I have done differently?” I realized that a big piece of what was missing was presence, in terms of how we are seen by others. A few months later, COVID hit after I joined Prezi, and then I realized, “Presence is not just how others see us, but it’s also about where we’re being seen.” For example, on video, we have a video presence. We have a presence on platforms like LinkedIn. That was the starting spark around this new definition of presence.


Presence is not just how other people see us. It is also about where we are being seen.


Beyond that, the second significant moment was learning to be a better public speaker, not with the goal of making this my career, but simply because I know it’s an important skill. I see people who do it well. They’re more confident. They seem more authoritative and more competent. Taking that upon myself and having a mentor, Spencer, at the company to support me changed the trajectory of my career when I ended up getting laid off.

I had enough confidence to say, “Maybe I’ll go off on my own and try to do the things that I’ve been doing, but make it even bigger to become a company.” That’s what I continue to do now. The book is so exciting. It came out a few months ago. Maybe that’s the last big one that I would have to say. There are a lot of things I have on my mind.

Writing a book, especially getting out there and sharing insights about this particular topic, is not easy because it’s one that’s on top of everyone’s mind. That’s a big flashpoint. We’ll get to that. Let’s start from the beginning here. You shared this sense of being frustrated. It’s like, “Why am I not being recognized? Why am I not getting what I want?”

A lot of people struggle with that. You feel like you’re doing all the things, checking all the boxes, and saying, “Why am I not getting what I want?” We always hear, “You need to develop executive presence,” but sometimes, people don’t know exactly what that means. Say a little bit about what your definition of presence is before we get too far along.

You touched on an important piece in that when a lot of us hear presence, we think executive presence. We might have to be at a certain level. There might be some preconceived notions about your personality or the way you look. It’s usually some high-stakes situation. It’s perhaps in a boardroom. Presence is how and where you are seen. Executive presence is one piece of presence, but presence is also a lot of other things.

I hope that this new definition empowers people and makes them more confident. Presence is, more so to me, about all the small touchpoints that we have in a given day with someone. It’s things that we don’t necessarily think about, but which leave an impression and help holistically, if you’re consistent with it, create your overall impression.

It’s something that can and should be worked on throughout our entire career. We don’t have to be a certain seniority level or a certain type of personality. Executive presence is one piece of that, but presence is much broader. It’s how we show up on video, on LinkedIn, in our meetings, or even in email and chat channels. It’s in the small talk and passing each other in the hall. All of these things have to do with presence. They’re small steps. You’re doing great work already. What are small tweaks we can make to uplevel that so that you can truly stand out?

I want to connect with this idea of polished presence versus authentic presence. Often, people think of presence as being something that’s perfection, and like, “I have to look good all the time,” as opposed to being real in the presence that you are. Maybe dive a little deeper into that if you’re cool.

One of the best things about going remote is that we are a lot more open about showing behind the scenes. I’ll share some data. It’s more around executive presence, but it applies to presence as well. There was some data that was published in Harvard Business Review that showed how people perceived executive presence from 2012 to 2022. It was very interesting to notice some of the changes.

The first category across 2012 and 2022 was similar across gravitas, communication, and appearance. For communication and appearance, what we noticed is that authenticity appeared in communication in 2022. That’s what people wanted from their leaders. People also wanted authenticity. Some things appeared, like instead of formal business attire, it was still a polished look, but it didn’t have to be so formal.

With communication, forcefulness was on the list in 2012, and then that was no longer on the list. Instead, things like authenticity, listening to learn, and command of a Zoom room started appearing. For the folks who feel like executive presence has to fit a certain mold, the good news is that it has transformed a lot over the past several years. That’s a good thing. We can all learn how to have more presence or executive presence.

Learning Transferrable Skills In Journalism

That’s great. I love this. We’re going to pause on presence for now because I want to get back into what got you thinking, “I want to go to journalism school,” and all these things. Take me back to the earlier days of what got you thinking, “This was my path.”

I was always someone who liked writing. I didn’t like math. When I had to think about the extracurriculars that I could do, it was journalism, writing for the school paper, and starting up a school paper at my middle school. That was something that gave me a lot of joy, which I was passionate about. I knew pretty soon that I wanted to attend journalism school.

Interestingly, once I was in journalism school, I knew pretty early on that I didn’t want to do traditional journalism for work. The great thing about a journalism degree is that it allows you to do a lot of different things. You learn a lot of skills that are very transferable. I knew I wanted to do something content-related that used my skills but was in a different industry.

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I graduated at a time when Silicon Valley was booming and tech companies were growing. It was the perfect time when a lot of companies were looking for content folks. In my role at SlideShare and my role at LinkedIn, a lot of people on the editorial team were from journalism school, specifically the one I went to, which was Medill at Northwestern. That was such a cool experience to be surrounded by other journalists and use those skills to help grow the LinkedIn content ecosystem.

It’s cool to hear that. I happen to have a lot of journalists who have come on my show. It’s not because they were pitching anything particularly, but the background that people start with, journalism seems to be a great foundational piece, but it then leads off to so many different other areas people get into. There’s also disenfranchisement that happens with journalism.

People think it’s going to be glamorous, and everyone is going to be out there doing these things where they’re going to be reporting on great stories. The interesting thing is that because of the world we’re in now, content creation is a place where you can use that instinct of journalism very well. It gets to a deeper story. If I think about journalism, it’s about this sense of, “How do I dig deeper into what’s going on to tell the story that is most meaningful here?”

Well said.

Balancing The Inside And The Outside

When I think about those beginnings of journalism, getting into what is going on in Silicon Valley, and what the things are that these companies want people to know about us, I would love to hear your story about the inside versus the outside, and maybe how you thread that needle.

For the outside, the first thing that came to mind when you said that is that a lot of people think I am extroverted and never nervous at all when I speak. For the inside, a lot of journalists and a lot of public speakers are introverts. Journalism gives you the opportunity to ask a lot of questions and meet people with the excuse of, “I’m interviewing you for a story.” It makes it a little bit easier to make the introduction or to reach out.

The thing that surprises people most is that I am introverted and that I still get nervous after doing it after so many years. Everyone still gets nervous. It’s about how you can control the nerves and make sure they don’t debilitate you. I am proud of the fact that I’m introverted and talk about it. People connect with that. For them to see someone who’s able to put their face out there or able to speak for a living as an introvert, hopefully, that excites or empowers people who are thinking about something similar, but thinking, “Maybe it’s just for the extroverts.”

It’s inspiring. That’s what it is. It gets people to see that they can do it, too. That’s a great part of it. There’s also a sense of it, to me, hearing that that’s the reality for you. It’s so true. There are a lot of people out there who are introverts who end up getting into this space. It’s one of those situations where people want to relate to you. They want to be able to say, “I can see myself in this person.” It’s not all about you when you are on stage or when you’re even speaking with people. The more that you’re able to be more curious about others, the more it becomes a gravitas for you, presence-wise.

I agree.

Finding Purpose In Entrepreneurship

That’s very cool. You got into these amazing companies. You start to navigate the ranks, start having this experience, and then decide to go off on your own, which is crazy because it’s not easy to start something on your own. Tell me about the early days. What did you struggle with?

I gave myself a year to see if this was sustainable. This was 2023, so the economy was still not great. What allowed me to see enough traction to succeed in that moment, a lot of it came down to my network and the relationships I built over many years. That was powerful. I was very thankful for that. To your point, the grass is always greener. People in corporate are like, “I dream of one day starting my own thing.” The people who are entrepreneurs are like, “I want a steady paycheck and not to have to do everything.”

For me, it was quite interesting because I didn’t know if I had the appetite or the skillset to become an entrepreneur. You don’t know until you’re in it. For example, there are things like, “I’m not associated with a company brand anymore.” If you need a lot of validation in that way, that’s not going to be easy for you. You need to be self-motivated. Am I going to end up lying down in the middle of the day every day because I can, and no one is my boss, so I can do whatever I want, or am I going to be able to create structure for myself? There are many examples like that. Thankfully, I was able to do all the things that needed to be done to have the right mindset shifts or the right mindset that needs to be done in order to succeed, or at least keep moving forward.

I saw enough momentum in that first year in a bad economy where I thought, “If I can do this and make some money in this environment, hopefully, things get better, and it’ll get easier to be able to grow.” You have that momentum as well. A client might come back. People have experienced you. They see you in business for longer. It has been rewarding, but a lot of work. I am still working harder than I did in corporate. For anyone who is thinking about making the leap, it takes a little bit of time to find that balance.

A big thing about it is the commitment. You have to be passionate about what you’re doing. You’ve chosen a field and a path that you’re passionate about. If you’re willing to write a book about presence, then you know that this is something that you want to spend time committing to the practice of.

Building a business around this, if you were just doing something where you’re like, “I’ll throw my hat in the ring and see what happens,” that’s not going to be something that you’ll do long-term. That’s where we separate entrepreneurs who are in it for the long term. They’ll navigate all those storms, the ups and the downs, and all that. I love what you shared because there’s an element that there are people along the journey who are helping you out, like the network. That does require presence.

It requires presence. It requires in-person presence if you’re at a networking event. A lot of things are virtual, so even your virtual presence and being okay reaching out to a stranger on LinkedIn because you want to talk to them or you’re interested in what they have to say. I have met so many strangers through LinkedIn who have become friends and supported me for my book launch.

I’ve also met people through my job at LinkedIn and Prezi. I was very fortunate that those were external-facing roles, so I got to meet not only my great colleagues, but people externally as well. I got to meet business leaders, thought leaders, authors, and speakers. I had to keep in touch. You don’t just meet them and then that’s the relationship. You have to keep in touch and find ways to help each other over time.

Looking Up Everyone In The Attendee List

That’s what a lot of people miss. It’s the sense of it’s great to make a connection on LinkedIn or make a connection in general, but you have to foster it. You have to continue to keep that going. Especially for introverts, that sometimes is something that they’re like, “I cringe when I hear that.” The reality is, you can do it in your own way. Maybe I’d like to hear a little more about what it is that you advise people when it comes to creating networks in your own way. This is maybe not your wheelhouse per se, but I’d love to hear your thoughts about how you do it.

I love talking about networking, so it is in my wheelhouse. For introverts and also non-introverts, one of the best strategies before an event, and this is something I did, is to find the attendee list and find all those people on LinkedIn whom you want to meet. It was a few months ago. I went to this design networking event. I’m not a designer, but I got invited. I was like, “It looks cool,” and then I added a bunch of people on LinkedIn.

I felt a little awkward. I didn’t know anyone. I’m not a designer, so I couldn’t connect in that way. I still remember someone. He was walking by me and then did a double-take. He goes, “Lorraine from LinkedIn.” It’s so unusual for people to take that extra step to connect ahead of time. That was insane, people coming up to me simply because I took a little time to send that message ahead of time.

Also, it is making sure that you’re approaching networking with a giving mentality first. You give to get. It’s not just, “I’m here. I’m looking for a job,” or “I’m looking for something.” If you can approach it with, “Tell me more about yourself. I’m so curious. Tell me more. How can I help you?” That journalism aspect is coming in. That is a great foundation for relationship-building and for showing up and not feeling like networking is cringe. You feel good when you help people. That’s another helpful strategy.


Being curious about the other person is a great foundation for relationship building.


I’m so glad you shared that. It resonates very much with the way I think about it, too. Design is something I’m passionate about. It is something where you’re like, “We’ll see what happens.” We have to go in different circles sometimes because if we’re in the same circles all the time, we meet the same people. Sometimes, you have to break out and see, “Who am I curious about? How do I want to widen my circle so that I can meet people who I think would be interesting and whom I don’t know?”

That's a great call-out.

Experiences On Writing A Book

Tell me about the journey to the book. I know that you’re a writer, so you know how to write, but at the end of the day, writing a book is not necessarily the same as writing shorter pieces and what have you.

It was quite a journey. It was a fast turnaround. From the start of writing to publishing the book, it was thirteen months. Writing a book was never on my vision board. It was not something that I expected for myself until a former colleague, Arun, planted the seed. I had come out with my first LinkedIn learning course, and he said, “Congratulations. When is the book coming out?” I thought, “Maybe that is something that I could do at some point.”

A few weeks later, I met up with my other friend, Jenny Wood, who is also an author. She asked, “Have you ever thought about writing a book?” I was like, “How funny. You’re the second person to ask me that in two weeks.” I kept it in the back of my head. This was while I was still employed. The layoff happened, and I realized, “Maybe now is a time to write this book that everyone is asking me about.”

I joined this self-publishing cohort and pretty early on realized how hard it is to write a book. I started drafting. I’m generously calling it an outline, but it was not even an outline. I thought, “I don’t think this is the right time. I don’t have the structure in my head. It’s not flowing easily.” I sorted that away and decided I wanted to publish the book with a publisher, for the first time at least.

By the end of year one of my business, I had a publisher. My publisher, Wiley, reached out to me on LinkedIn. Subsequently, within the next few weeks, a few other publishers started reaching out to me. I said to myself, “This is the universe telling me that it’s time.” Even if I was nervous, and even if I did feel bouts of imposter syndrome, wondering, “Is this too soon to write the book? Am I ready?” I wanted to take advantage of the moment. That’s what happened. This time, when I wrote the proposal and the outline, it flowed much more easily. Maybe I needed that year in business, that time to reflect, and that space away from corporate to understand what the book would be about and how it’s different from similar books about presence.

I love this. I often say there’s a period of receiving, and then there’s a period of transmission when it comes to writing. You’re out there collecting, talking about things and ideas. You weren’t ready to transmit quite yet until you were ready. Receiving was about seeing what ideas are going to be in the book. When you started to write the first time, you were like, “I’m not feeling it.”

It wasn’t quite right. Since we have a journalism thread going throughout our conversation, I had the chance to interview nearly three dozen business leaders for this book, including content creators, authors, and speakers. That was my favorite part of this book process. I got to feel like a journalist again, asking questions and interviewing. That was fun.

That’s amazing. I want to give a hat tip to Jenny Wood because she was a prior guest on my show. It was a wonderful episode.

She’s amazing.

Building Your Own Career Brand

We talked a little bit about the book in terms of what’s in it. Share some of the concepts that people will get when they read it.

A lot of different things are in the book intentionally because I like to talk about a lot of different things. One of the most popular concepts in the book is the idea of a career brand. A career brand is your personal brand, but a personal brand can have a lot of negative connotations. People think, “I have to be promoting myself all the time or be loud or obnoxious.” Career brand better explains what a brand is in the service of. A brand is in the service of helping your career.

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When we boil it down even further and think about what a brand is at its core, it’s your reputation. If you go into your workplace, realizing that we all have a reputation, and it could be a good reputation, a bad reputation, or people don’t even know about you, which is a reputation in itself, then we can decide, “How do I want to be more proactive and thoughtful about creating my career brand so that it helps me move closer towards my goals?”

I have a few different frameworks in the book around that for how people can start thinking through it, because I know it can feel overwhelming to start. Career brand has been quite a popular concept. In this environment, with so many layoffs happening, people are realizing the value of having the brand because companies will come and go, but your brand will stick with you forever.

The second thing that I’m excited to include in the book that I think is less traditional is building your LinkedIn presence. A lot of people still see LinkedIn as a job site and only a place you need to go if you’re unhappy with your job. It’s one of the most powerful platforms to build your presence externally, but also internally.

I’ll use myself as an example. When I started posting more on LinkedIn, separate from working at LinkedIn, but when I was at Prezi, I found my voice, gained a lot of confidence, and found external opportunities like speaking and podcasts. That elevated my presence and my profile within the company. It’s not something that everyone feels comfortable doing, so if you’re willing to put yourself out there and be the face of something, it’s wonderful organic brand awareness for your company. It helps you stay top of mind. You find your voice and confidence that can translate into the company as well. You might get tapped for additional opportunities internally as well, which happened to me.

There are so many things I want to unpack about what you shared. I’ll start by saying I remember when Reid Hoffman and Ben Casnocha put out The Startup of You. I still have it on my shelf. I recommend it to so many people I talk to when they start thinking about a transition. It was a groundbreaking book.

I’m glad they put it out because it got people thinking about this idea of, “I need to be thinking about my career as a startup.” It’s an interesting concept, but it also has you thinking about, “Who am I connected to? How do I create a network that supports me?” That is also almost like a leverage point to not continue to work so hard in the background and see that it’s not the hard work, but it’s working smarter. That was the other thing I was going to mention. When you got into this concept, I was thinking about the idea that having a good presence is not avoiding work. You still have to work hard, but make sure that your work doesn’t go without notice.

Good work is foundational. It’s like the bare minimum you have to do to have your job. If you’re just doing the bare minimum, that’s only going to get you so far. No one is going to notice you. It’s like, “How do I uplevel a little bit and still do the good work? How do I make sure that people know who I am, and they know about the work that I’m doing and why I’m important, like the value that I’m adding here?”

Not to make this about me, but when I was in my prior life as a corporate executive, I remember working so hard and feeling like I was a martyr on many accounts. I would do the extra work, work that extra mile, and work those late hours. It felt like I was doing it because I was trying to look like the person who is willing to die on the sword. The reality is that’s not working anymore. It didn’t work for me. It doesn’t work for anyone. We need to stop all that madness and instead say, “What do I do that supports the overall goal of the organization, and how do I make sure people know what I’m contributing?” That’s presence.

That’s such a good story because so many people have experienced that. You feel important, like, “I’m doing the extra work. I’m working late,” but do people care about that in the end? It’s about working on the right things, not just working on every random project that comes your way.


Work on the right things. Do not just work on every random project that comes your way.


I love that you see that. There’s an element where we need to know the unique presence that we bring, not just, “I worked hard, so therefore I deserve the accolades, the promotion, and the things.” We can’t be basing this on entitlement or time. It has to be based on how we ensure that other people see what we’re uniquely bringing to the table.

Become The CEO Of Your Own Career

The thing you mentioned about Reid and Ben earlier with The Startup of You reminded me that in the book, I start off chapter one with career brand, but also a mindset shift in that I say, “You have to become the CEO of your own career.” What you said reminds me of how it is so easy to assume things are going to happen to us. We’re like, “I’ve been at this company for so many years,” or “I’m working hard,” or “I don’t have to go out and network because I’m not looking for a job right now.”

When you shift your mentality and realize, “I can and should be proactive. I can control some of the outcomes of these things. I can influence whether I get promoted or not, not just wait during annual review time and hope it happens. I can find out who is going to be in the room. I can create a case six months before and let people know that I want to get promoted.” Unfortunately, we don’t get taught it, but it is all about becoming the CEO of your own career, being proactive, and being intentional.

Using Imposter Syndrome To Your Advantage

Beautifully said. You’ve covered a lot of ground already. My challenging question for you is going to be, what have you learned about yourself in this journey to getting to where you are and becoming an unforgettable presence?

I’ve learned so much. The first thing I would say is that if I’m feeling imposter syndrome about anything, I’ve pushed myself through those moments enough times. I’m much more confident now than I was many years ago. It’s because I’m doing the hard thing. Sometimes, I might fail, but I’m also succeeding. To know that it’s okay to do the hard thing and to have it be either outcome is a huge confidence booster.

I also talk about this in the book. Anytime I feel imposter syndrome, it’s a mindset shift of as I’m doing something new, different, and hard that I haven’t done before, it’s going to make me feel uncomfortable, but that’s when I grow the most. My confidence was like a steady scale growing, but then it started growing exponentially. The more you do hard things, the faster you’re willing to push yourself to say, “I can do this. I have seen enough evidence and data that I’m able to push past that.”

I was thinking about this. I was talking to some people from high school and thinking about myself back then and how I am now. That has been a cool transformation. The public speaking part, too, has transformed me. That’s why I’m so passionate. I’m always telling people, “Try it. I know it’s scary at first, but it does get easier.” I love coaching people because the confidence at work and the confidence it gives you outside of life is hard to match.

It’s so beautifully said. You said that collecting evidence is so important. As you get out on the road and start trying new things that you haven’t done, you’re collecting evidence that you can do it as you go along. You’re saying, “You did that, and you did this. Look at me now. I’m very different. I almost transformed from where I was.”

The thing I always think about, and I didn’t coin this phrase, is that imposter syndrome is not a bug. It’s a feature of successful people. That is a wonderful way to think about imposter syndrome. If you are feeling that way, it’s a good thing because it means that you are up to something that is meant for you. It’s a great way to think about this.

Lorraine’s Book Recommendations

I’m feeling inspired by all the things you’re doing. I know that this is landing with the audience in a way that’s going to get them thinking, “How am I cultivating my own brand in a way that is going to resonate with me, but also, how can I do it differently?” Before we come to a close, I have one last question that I always ask my guests. What are 1 or 2 books that have an impact on you and why?

Think Faster, Talk Smarter by Matt Abrahams. He is one of my public speaking mentors. I am so thankful to have him in my corner. He has multiple books that are about public speaking and also speaking on the fly, which, for introverts, is a little bit less comfortable. He has some great books, so check those out. I’ll give a shout-out to Jenny. Wild Courage is an awesome book as well. We call ourselves book sisters-in-law because our books were one month apart. We love supporting each other. Managing Up by Melody Wilding is also a wonderful book and a very important thing that we all need for our careers.

Get In Touch With Lorraine

Wonderful recommendations. I feel like that was a masterclass in giving some good breadcrumbs for people to go out and look for as they’re trying to build up their own sense of courage, confidence, and presence-building. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you again for coming on the show. This has been a wonderful journey through understanding how you got to where you’re doing this work. I am excited to see what happens next. Another book in the works?

We’ll see. We've got to get through year one first of this first book.

The Virtual Campfire | Lorraine Lee | Unforgettable PresenceI know. I’m kidding. It’s wonderful. I’m so proud of all the things you’re doing. I’m looking forward to seeing where you take things. Thank you for coming on.

Thank you. This was so fun.

Before I let you go, I want to make sure people know where they can find out more about your work.

Connect with me on LinkedIn. Send me a message. If you buy the book, I would love to hear what resonated with you and what you might be trying to implement. I have a weekly newsletter, Career Bites, which is are bite-sized tips to supercharge your career in three minutes or less. That’s at my website, LorraineKLee.com/subscribe. I have many LinkedIn Learning courses. Nineteen. Most of them are nano courses, so they’re less than a ten-minute watch. You can find those on LinkedIn Learning and my book wherever books are sold.

I love how you’re tapping into the fact that we all have short attention spans. Thank you again. Thanks to the readers for coming on the journey. Go pick up Lorraine’s book. It’s amazing. Go check out her stuff. It’s cool. That’s a wrap. Thank you.

 

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