Spiral Joy: Discover The Surprising Path To A Life Fulfilled With Joy With Ellie Bassick-Trovato

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When you become a beacon of light for someone, many things will unravel themselves and align with your life. That is what happened to today’s guest. Ellie Bassick-Trovato, the Founder of The New Brave, walks us through how she discovered a surprising life filled with joy. She also navigates through the key insights in her book, The Joy Spiral Playbook: Discover the Surprising Path to a Life Fulfilled with Joy. So listen to this episode to spark your light and discover a life filled with joy!


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Spiral Joy: Discover The Surprising Path To A Life Fulfilled With Joy With Ellie Bassick-Trovato

It is my honor to introduce you to my guest, Ellie Bassick-Trovato. Ellie is a women's empowerment mentor and a springboard for your personal evolution. She is devoted to helping people soar. She's also a speaker and a bestselling author of The Joy Spiral Playbook: Discover the Surprising Path to a Life Fulfilled with Joy. She helps women tap into their limitless potential, connect with their radiance, and elevate their emotions and relationships.

She uses a compelling and effective blend of brain science, spirituality, and quantum physics to help her clients integrate knowledge into their lived experiences to truly transform their lives. One client describes her as having an angel on her shoulder as she navigates life. That's beautiful. She's the Founder of The New Brave and the leader of the high-vibe Facebook group, the Luminosa Playground. It is truly a pleasure and an honor to welcome you to the Virtual Campfire.

Thank you so much. I'm excited to be here. It feels good to have my bio read. There is the day-to-day experience of like, “Am I doing enough?” I have all these things going on, but then when you get to hear the overarching story of your life, that’s cool. Everybody should have a bio read about them.

We should have someone read our bio every day because we need a reminder of how great and how brilliant we are.

We get so caught up in the doing. I had a conversation with my son. We were looking at the overarching like, “This is what you've done this summer. Look at this. This is amazing.” In the day-to-day, it doesn't feel like that, but then you take that moment to step back and look at the big picture. Everybody, step back and look at the big picture. How would you write your bio to make it sound amazing? Because you are amazing.

This is great. We're off to a great start. We're going to have an amazing conversation. The fire is lit, and we are sitting by the campfire. We are going to spend some time going through what we call flashpoints, these points in your journey that have ignited your gifts into the world. I want you to share what you're called to share. Along the way, we'll pause and see what's showing up. In a moment, I'll turn it over to you. You can share the moments that have made you into who you are now, making such a big impact on the world. You are sharing everyone else's brilliance but, at the same time, sharing your brilliance. Please take it away.

I love this concept of flashpoints. It's a fun way to think about it. When I look back on my life experience, there have been many. I went away to boarding school. I had been taught that there were certain emotions. I was supposed to be the sweet, nice, kind, happy, and pretty little girl. Anything that didn't fit in that paradigm, I didn't know what to do with it. When I was jealous, angry, or sad, I squished it down. Can you relate?


By the time I got to boarding school, I learned to squish it down with food. I got into obsessive-compulsive eating. This is a problem in a lot of boarding schools. A lot of times, people will go to throwing up or doing other things. I didn't do that, but I did gain a lot of weight. I also ended up in a deep depression. Nobody would ever have known it by looking at me because I was a very high-functioning, depressed person. I had stunted myself by blocking all of my emotions. I didn't know any better. My mom didn't know any better. She taught me to do that, but she didn't know any better. She was doing the best that she could. That's one flashpoint.

I have this paradigm where I think of the ladder of well-being that can go from a negative 10 up to a positive 10. I was riding at about a negative 8. I could go up from there, and I could go down from there, but that was my baseline. Moving through life, I suffered from depression on and off. I did a lot of work. I did a lot of therapy and a lot of personal growth and development.

Flash forward to when I met and married my husband. About a year later, our son was born. My son was less than a year old when my husband was diagnosed with a brain tumor. This is another flashpoint. This point is one in which I truly discovered what I am made of. It was a giant challenge, as you might well imagine. He later passed away before my son was two years old, and that was two months after my father passed away.

There were a lot of challenges that were going on. When you're a young mom, and you're trying to figure out the mom journey, let alone navigating the ravages of a brain tumor, my husband's beautiful, twinkling blue eyes fading away into vacancy, and all of that, that is a moment that is so hard to navigate. It also is a moment in which I found a way to reach into something deeper and to start to feel something deeper move through me.

I remember the moment that he was diagnosed. The story is quite extraordinary of all that, but we'd be here forever if I went into all of these stories. The moment when the doctor made eye contact with me and he was flanked by a nurse and a social worker, I was like, “This is not going to be good.” My husband was lying in the hospital bed. We were at the ER.

The doctor looked at me with tears in his eyes and said, “Your husband has a brain tumor and it's the size of somewhere between a lemon and a grapefruit. I've never seen a brain tumor this size. He is immediately being moved into Boston.” I was like, “What are you telling me?” He was like, “I don't know. I've never seen anything like this.” At that moment when I could have melted into fear, that's when something came through me. I suddenly was galvanized into, “This is what we're dealing with. I've got this. We're going to figure this out. We're going to navigate this.” That's another flashpoint.

Fast forward to my husband's challenges, there was a beautiful man who was the ex-husband of one of my best friends. I don't remember how he even came to be at our house. He said, “You need to read the book Conversations with God.” I was like, “I have that on my bookshelf.” That's one of those books that I've read a chapter of and then I got distracted by the other 5,000 books on my bookshelf or whatever the next shiny object was. I was like, “I have that.” I feel like he was an angel in my life at that point. He was there to point me in that direction. I am so grateful.VCP 222 | Life Fulfilled With Joy

That book is the book that solidified for me with absolute clarity that we are energy. Every thought, word, and action puts energy into the world. Every thought that we think, every word that we speak, and every action that we take puts energy into the world. That energy is always based on either love or fear. There was something about my brain that loved the binaryness of that because there is so much gray in life, like trying to figure things out. You look at it one way, and it looks this way. You look at it another way, and it looks this way.

To recognize that underneath it all was getting to a level of clarity about that binary, which is either love or fear, I ended up with my own dog-eared copy. My husband had his own dog-eared copy. We were sharing it with everybody. That book is what put me on the spiritual path that I have been on ever since then. It helped John and I to come to a place of not happiness about what was happening, but some level of peace about what was happening. Also, to recognize, “We can't control what's happening, but we can control who we're going to be in the face of what's happening.”

Every word we speak and every action we take puts energy into the world. That energy could be based on love or fear.

After my husband passed away, the next flashpoint would be when I was reading the book, The Power of Intention by Wayne Dyer. I wasn't sure what I was going to do next. I had been a seventh-grade English teacher. I had a lot of different careers in my life. I took the year off to be with Ben when he was born, but then the following year there was the brain tumor. I was like, “Where am I going? What am I doing?”

All of a sudden, as I was reading that book, I had absolute clarity. I was like, “I am building a wellness center in honor of my husband and my dad to put this book, Conversations with God, into people's hands. We'll do other things, but the bottom line is that more people need to know this stuff,” so I did. The next flashpoint in that would be as I set the intention to open on my father's birthday because it was his money that was enabling me to be able to open it on October 20th. I later found out that they were making Conversations with God into a movie and it was being released on what date?

October 20th.

Not only was it being released on October 20th, but it wasn't going into big theaters. It was being released so that bookstores could show it to a small audience. The weekend that my wellness center called Uplifting Connections was birthed, I was showing the movie Conversations with God to my customers. There were so many things that aligned during that time that it was extraordinary.

I had a Master's degree in Education and an undergrad in English. Never had I taken Marketing, Accounting, Finance, or anything that would be helpful in running a wellness center. I'm reading every book I can get my hands on. I'm reading a book that says, “You need a team. You need legal. You need finance. You need somebody who can help you with technology.”

I was in the local high school library the next day. I was doing some tutoring, and I overheard a man talking about technology at the high school. I felt this pull to introduce myself to him, and I did. His name was Ken. I said, “This is going to sound a little crazy, but I heard you talking about technology. I have this idea. I want to create a wellness center, and I want to put the book Conversations with God into people's hands because it changed my life. I need somebody to help me with technology. Do you know anybody?”

He said, “I will help you with your technology, and I will do it for free because that book changed my life.” It was unbelievable. I was looking at him and was like, “Are you kidding me?” I then felt this pull. I was like, “That's amazing. Do you happen to know an architect? I have found the space that I want this to be in, but I need an architect because it's a dirt floor.” He said, “My girlfriend is an architect.” I was like, “Are you kidding me?”

His girlfriend came, and she walked through the space with me. She was like, “We could do this. This place could be open.” I was like, “Tracy, this is amazing. How much would it cost to have you draw the plans for this?” She said, “I believe 100% in what you're doing. That book changed my life. I will do this for you for free.” It was crazy. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. All of these flashpoints led me to this place where I had a wellness center for a long time. I put that book and many others into many people's hands. We had psychic fairs. We had gorgeous mediumship events. We had books, sidelines, smoothies, healing arts, and all kinds of amazing things.

Eventually, eight years later, I was in this tiny little corner back office trying to make QuickBooks add up the way it was supposed to and a schedule that was very complex. I was in my C-game instead of my A-game. I believe that we all have an A-game, and it's up to us to go play that game. If we spend all of our time tearing our hair out, trying to do the C-game, then the world never gets the fullness of the medicine that we came to bring to the world and the full potency of who we are and who we came to be.

Eventually, as clear as it was that it was time to start that wellness center, it became abundantly clear that it was time to sell it, and to go off and become a coach. I had always been unofficially a coach. I didn't even know it was a thing you could be. I was like, “This is what I'm going to do. This is who I am.” My journey from then has been becoming this empowerment coach.

I was taking all of the things that I have learned and putting them together in such a way that I could guide other people on this path as I continue to evolve and grow. That's such an important part of it. It's never that we are like, “I have it all figured out. Follow me.” It’s like, “I have some stuff figured out. If you're interested in that stuff, I can guide you. I will continue to move forward so that I can continue to guide you. You may or may not move ahead of me. You're probably ahead of me in other areas of life.”

It's not about somebody being better, somebody being worse, somebody being on a pedestal, or anything like that. Our job is to become the light that we came here to be and to hold that light and commit to that light so clearly that it becomes a beacon for others to make their way through the shadows and the fog and remember who they are so that they can shine their brightest light. Those are the flashpoints.

Be the light, hold it, and commit to that light so clearly that it becomes a beacon for others to make their way through the shadows and the fog.

We're going to get into what led you to the book and what have you. I want to pause here to say wow. There's a lot about this. What you shared is this sense of you don't necessarily believe in this energy of it puts the right thoughts into the world, then things come back to you until you experience it. I'm saying this theoretically. If you're someone who's more logically based, it's hard to believe in spirituality or even think, “What I think is going to be able to manifest something positive in the world,” until you then see it happen. What you shared is, “I can see the belief that this happens because I've seen it manifested in my life.” That's hard to refute. All the things that you shared are powerful.

It's crazy. Can I share one more with you?


It is another mind-blowing thing. Years later, I thought that I had had my experience with Neale Donald Walsch who wrote Conversations with God. I was forever grateful. I put that book into so many people's hands. People would come and they’d buy it, and then they would come buy fifteen more to give to their friends. I thought that chapter of the big push for that book in my life or the big effect was done.

Years later, I happened to open an email that didn't even have his name on the subject line. I do know what led me to open that email. I opened it up. I was going through challenges as a single mom. My son was a very strong-willed young child and I was at my wit’s end. I was like, “I need help.” I had put it out there that I needed a male influence in my son's life. I needed more support around this. This isn't meant to be just me. I have a lot of beautiful people in my world who had been helping me, but I wanted some more mentorship for Ben specifically.

I happened to open this email. It happened to say, “Neale Donald Walsch is having an online program. If you're one of the first 100 to sign up, then you get to be on a Zoom call with him.” This was in the early days of Zoom when it was new to us. I was like, “Are you kidding me?” I signed up early enough and got on the Zoom call. I am sitting there. I'm beside myself because as far as I'm concerned, I am talking to God's messenger right now. I believe that God is only and all about love. I believe he is talking to all of us all the time. He, she, it, or the universe is talking to all of us all the time but clearly had been talking to Neale Donald Walsch. He has written 32 New York Times bestselling books, and here he is. I'm looking at him in his living room. I am elevated to this experience. I had tears in my eyes.

He's going through his conversation and everything, and then he opens it up to questions. There were only about four of us who get to ask a question. He calls on me and I say, “First of all, I want to say how your book has changed my life.” I told them a little piece of the story about what it had meant to me, and he got teary. I was like, “They must hear this all the time. This probably doesn't mean anything to them.” He was like, “I have to tell you. I was talking with Marianne Williamson and Deepak Chopra the other day about this and how much it still means to us to hear these stories.”

I told him that I created this wellness center in his honor, in honor of this book, and my dad's to put this book into people's hands. He was so moved by that. I got to ask him, "How do I help my son stay connected to his dad?" He said, "Teach him the laws of the universe. Teach him about the law of attraction. Teach him that his dad is always with him. Have him look for the signs." His dad comes to us as a hawk. That's been clear throughout our lives at extraordinary times. He heard that and was like, "That's so cool."

The conversation goes on. We are complete, and then we get to the end of the call. He says, “I'm going to walk all of you through an activity.” I text Ben who's downstairs, a fourteen-year-old kid hanging out on the couch. He's now twenty. He knows who Neale is to me. He's at the age where Neale isn't anything to him. I text him and I'm like, “Neale is going to take us through an activity. Come upstairs.” He's feeling comfortable on the couch, but he hears a nudge that tells him to come upstairs.

Imagine that Neale is seeing 100 people across the screen. He has got two people on the screen, so we probably stood out to him. I had mentioned Ben's name. He stops the entire thing and says, “Ben.” I was like, “I cannot believe that Neale Donald Walsch is having a conversation with my son right now.” In the rest of the conversation, he's telling everybody what to do. He’ll say, “Step one is this. Ben, what you're going to want to do is this. Step two is this. Ben, what you're going to want to do is this.” He says, “Ben, I want to get on a call with you and teach you how the universe works.” I was like, “You want to do what?”

I arranged the call. I asked if I can be on it. I promised to be as quiet as a mouse. I asked if I can record it. I still have the recording. He spends an hour with my son on the phone. He says, “I have to tell you. I am not in the habit of calling people that I don't know, let alone fourteen-year-old boys. I am hearing that your mom has done an extraordinary job.” He's got the greatest sense of humor. He's super helpful and supportive. He says, “I can't replace your dad, but I can be like a grandfather to you. I'm going to give you my personal phone number so that you and I can continue this relationship and this conversation.”

That is remarkable. That's something that you never forget. Talk about someone making you feel so special and so seen. Also knowing that even if you don't have those conversations, you feel like they're watching over you always.

I have so much gratitude for him and for that moment. The love that he offered was extraordinary. This is an important point for anybody who's tuning in. One of my takeaways from that, as I sat with buckets of tears pouring down my face later, was that whenever we ask for something from the universe, we always want to connect to what it is that we desire. We say to the universe, “This or better.”

I had asked for a mentor and a guide for Ben. If I had tried to decide who it was going to be, would I have put Neale Donald Walsch on the list? Not in a million years because it wouldn't have occurred to me that Neale Donald Walsch could be an influence in my son's life. It is remembering that the universe is always bending in our favor and that it's up to us to ask for what we desire. We let go of how it happens, and then trust and celebrate it as it happens.

I want to interrupt for one second to say that what you just shared is something important. A lot of people don't know how to ask. They're not sure how to look for the right things. It might be that people say like, “I want $1 million,” and they put that out in the world. The reality is that's not how you ask for what you want. You have to look for something that is in service of yourself and is intended for the greater good. You have to look for that in a way that is going to move you in that direction. It's the intention behind the ask that's important.

One of the important things about the ask is the recognition of it is up to us. There are all of these possibilities in the quantum field about what could happen next in our life. It's up to us to align vibrationally with what we're looking for. It’s not, “I want $1 million so that I can then feel amazing, grateful, and everything else.” It's, “I desire $1 million. What's up to me is to celebrate all that I have, and be grateful for everything in my life to exponentially multiply my vibration so that I am raising myself to the radio frequency that matches what it would feel like to have $1 million in our world.” That's what's missing for a lot of people.

There's the sense of, “The law of attraction. I say, “That's what I want.” There's work on our part, which is it is not then that you're grateful for the $1 million. You get to have gratitude for the life that you're experiencing. You imagine so clearly how awesome that's going to be as icing on the cake and like,

“That's going to be even cooler.” That’s the energy that you want to be at.

That's not to say that you always have to be able to be in that vibration to do the asking. I was in a tough vibration when I said to the universe, “I need help. I can't do this by myself.” There was a certain degree of willingness to recognize the need and ask for it, and then have some level of trust that some magic was going to happen. I don't have to be in charge of how it's going to happen.

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I have a question about this. First of all, this is not for everyone. Not everyone is aligned with this thinking. What have you done in the past where you've run into people who are like, “I don't believe in this. This is a bunch of crap,” or what have you. How have you dealt with situations where people come into your world and they said, “It’s just a coincidence. These things happen. There's no magic to it.” How do you deal with naysayers in your life?

I don't, and I don't mean that flippantly. I don't put my energy there. We're at two different energetic vibrations. If I'm going to try to convince a naysayer, then I'm going to have to go to their vibration to try to convince them of something different. What's up to me is to trust that everybody is on their own path. I'm on one that feels good for me. They're on one that may or may not feel good for them, but I'm not in charge of their path.

I'm in charge of whatever it is that keeps me lit up so that I can be living my best life and be as connected to the universal source of good and love. That's my job on a daily basis. How do I get into alignment with truth and the energy that I call God? I also call it universe, source, or whatever you call it. How do I get into alignment with that so that I am in my strength and in my power?

It’s not power as in I need to convince anybody of anything or control anything, but in my power so that I am in that unshakeable sense of inner peace and trust that all is well, and I just need to stay in my lane. I shine my light as best I can, and then I trust that those who resonate with it are going to be the ones who want to be in conversation with me and move forward. Those who don't are going to fall off the field. That's okay too.

Letting go is one of the most important things that we need to do. It's accepting what is. What is for somebody else is that's the place that they're at. There's no right or wrong to that. It's just a different place and a different experience. When and if they want to have a different experience, I am here to guide and help them. God doesn't need us to police the universe and make sure that everybody is on the path that we think is the right one. I believe that we are this force for love. When we listen to inspiration, intuition, and guidance and leave room for our hearts to speak to us, then we are being that energy of love here on earth.

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For those we come into contact with, it is my job to see that light in you even if you can't, but it's not my job to stay there and try to convince you if you're not ready. That's okay. There's my people and there's not my people right now. They may become my people in the future or they may not. I don't know. If I spend my energy there, that is a giant opportunity cost because then I am not shining the brightest light on the twenty other people who are ready and want to move.

It comes back to what you said earlier. You have to be doing You’re A-game versus your C-game. If you are trying to please everybody or serve everyone, then you start to drag your energy down to this level of, “I'm in my C-game because I'm trying to serve everyone or please everyone.” In reality, the best thing you can do is to be of service to the people who want this, who want to be part of your world, and who want to be in alignment with what your energy is or your vibe. That's the best thing you can do. Hold space for those people and help them to become their best selves through the work that you're doing, which is so beautiful.

There are so many directions I want to go in. I feel like this time is going by in a blink. I want to start by maybe talking about your book. You eventually got to this place of deciding you're going to write a book, which is quite an endeavor of its own. Tell the audience about your book. What is it? What are some key insights that you have about the book that you want to share?

First of all, it was very cool how the book came to be, which was that. I was having what I call my God time. Every day, I have a spiritual practice. I was having a challenge in the coaching that I do. When I get to hear from my clients, I feel unbelievably empowered, and my family has never been happier. That's the coaching I get to do. I feel so much gratitude for that.

There is a gap between the marketing skills that it takes to bring somebody into my world, and then what I can do once they're in my world. I had been having a conversation with God. I was like, “God, if you want me to keep doing this work, I need some help. There is something I'm missing here.” Within a couple of days or a week, I got a Facebook ad for a book called The One Book Millions Method.

I don't normally respond to Facebook ads, but something led me to open that. I read the entire book one afternoon. I was like, “This is it.” The whole point was to put your brilliance or your genius, which we all have, into a book. I'm not putting myself up and everybody else down here. We all have our genius. Put your genius into a book. Allow people to read that book. Give them the opportunity to read that book, and then your people are going to recognize that you're their person. They're going to come into your world at a deeper level. I was like, “That sounds amazing. I've always wanted to write a book. Now, this is a very purposeful way to write a book.”

There's a whole marketing thing behind it. The idea is you have to spend a fair amount of money on Facebook ads. As you have people come into your world through those Facebook ads, then you have other things that are part of the “funnel.” Some people know what a funnel is and some people don't. Don't worry about it. It means when you click on an ad and there are other things available to you to purchase, then that's amazing. If you purchase them, that helps to offset the average order value for running the ads.

It's this whole paradigm of putting the book out there in such a way that you have new people coming into your world. Some people are going to be transformed from reading the book and then they're done. Some people are going to be like, “I want more,” and they're going to come in deeper. That's how the book came to be. It was me saying, “I need help,” and God saying, “Here is a method.” That's how the book came to be.

Over the years, I have spent well over six figures in personal growth and development in Tony Robbins’ world, Alison Armstrong's world, and all of these beautiful worlds of these beautiful mentors and guides. I've also had a huge amount of life experiences and guidance coming through me. I was codifying that into a book. It was a powerful experience for me too. I was like, “There are eight different main steps.”

The book is called The Joy Spiral Playbook: Discover the Surprising Path to a Life Filled with Joy. We always think about spiraling down, but why not spiral up? When we're at the beginning of this journey of evolution, we are like an acorn that has it in us to become an oak tree but we don't know it yet. Divine intelligence is there to guide us, but it's the unlocking of these levels that help us to grow into that oak tree.VCP 222 | Life Fulfilled With Joy

There are eight different levels in The Joy Spiral Playbook. The first one, for example, is to remember who the heck you are. By that, I mean you are divinity in action. You are loved. You are a pure channel for love and you have likely forgotten because the world tells you a different story. The world is steeped in a fear-based paradigm. The more you listen to the notifications on your phone, the news, and this, the more you're going to be conditioned to that fear-based paradigm. Make a choice to remember the truth of who you are. That's the first step.

The next step is followed from there. One of them is we are used to what I call fear-think. We've been taught fear-think our entire lives. What we want to experience is love think. How do we move that continuum? How do we move the bar so that we become people who think in terms of love, generosity, patience, kindness, flexibility, creativity, and resilience? How do we choose that more and more? That's where our evolution begins. If we keep looking at the ditch, the shadow, the fear, worrying, being anxious, and all of that, that's going to keep us busy all day long. We are never going to shine the light that we can shine.

This is joy-mind training, joy-first philosophy, and truth-first philosophy. Do I spend time in my day remembering the truth of who I am so that no matter how many messages I get today that tell me something different, I am aligned with the truth and I can act from that place? That's what The Joy Spiral Playbook is about. There is a lot of joy activators in it. There are deep insights that change your thinking about the world. There are also joy activators that are activities that you can do to keep cultivating that joy that I believe is our birthright when we are lined up with the truth of who we are.

That's beautiful. There's something about that. It is this sense that we need to make sure that we're not limiting our potential by being stuck in those limiting beliefs. I have a tattoo of a box of people who often feel this sense of being stuck in a box on my arm. It says, “Spark the fire within.” When we spark the fire within, we could illuminate that box and become something even more beautiful than just being this person who's stuck in the box. It's important to remember that message. Don't let those limiting beliefs hold you in that box. Shine bright.

How do you get rid of the shadow or the dark? You turn on the light. I am a student of and a guide for A Course in Miracles. As I was reading it and explaining it to people, what came through for me was talking about these monsters that you have. I had this visual of opening the door for my monsters to come up and out. It was all of those limiting beliefs, all of the ideas of lack, all of the stories, and all of whatever, and letting them come up and being like, “Come on out.”

As we let them come out and we've got the basement door open, then we shine the light on them and they disappear. If we try to keep them stuck away like, “I'm not willing to look,” or, “I'm going down in the basement to fight them,” then we're stuck at the level of the monster. If we stand in our power and our light and spark the flame within, then that light is like, “Bring it on. I know I am the light. I can handle the fact that I've got this shadowy part, but let me shine the light on that.”

It's beautiful. Time is flying by, but I have one last question that I need to ask because I ask every guest the same question. I'm dying to find out what are 1 or 2 books that have had an impact on you and why. I know you've mentioned a lot of amazing books already, so I'm wondering. Are there any other books that you want to mention?

The top three for me would be Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch, and we talked about why, The Power of Intention by Wayne Dyer, and A Course in Miracles. Those would be my top threes. I'll say more about A Course in Miracles. It is a spiritual text that was channeled from Jesus. Whether or not you believe in channeling, it’s a profound text and a profound guidance system. It was channeled from Jesus in the 1960s, and it has 365 daily lessons, as well as text that's 684 pages or something. As you commit to doing those daily lessons, it's like a structured form that I really love.

The miracle is the choice of love over fear. In every moment in time, a miracle tells us that every thought that we think is going to lead us and those around us straight to heaven or straight to hell. It is not heaven or hell as a place that we go to after we die but as an experience that we're going to have in the next moment. Heaven would be an awareness of our oneness, love, pure joy, and peace. Hell would be separation, angst, catastrophizing, drama, and everything else.

A miracle is the choice of love over fear. Miracles will tell us that every thought we think will lead us and those around us straight to heaven or hell, an experience we will have in the next moment.

I love A Course in Miracles. Neale Donald Walsch brought me into the world of spirituality that fits me like a glove, and an idea of God being all about love. He is not displeased with us, not waiting to judge us, and not waiting to punish us. It is none of those things. I discovered a spirituality that fits me like a glove with Neale Donald Walsch, but living it in my day-to-day life was the challenge because of what we talked about with that fear-based paradigm that's coming at us all the time.

For me, that commitment to those daily lessons in A Course in Miracles is tough to go on your own. I know a lot of people who have it on their bedside table and are like, “I've made it to lesson fifteen and then I fell off,” which is why I guide people through it. That book for me has been not the genesis of my peace and joy, but the evolution of my peace and joy. It’s a commitment that we all have to make. Do we want to live as the light or keep getting caught in the shadow?

Whatever the path is that the audience chooses, if you don't already have a daily practice that brings you back to the center and brings you back to the truth, I encourage you to find one. Otherwise, all bets are off. Our brains have a bias to negativity and the world has all these messages for us. If we are not reconnecting with those messages that inspire and elevate us, they're not going to come. There is such a thing as free will. Fear will force itself on us but love will not. Love is a choice that we make to open the door and say, “Remind me. Bring me back to the truth.” That's why I have my free Facebook group. I do a daily ritual in there that helps people come back into alignment with the truth.

Fear will force itself on us. Love will not. Love is a choice we make to open the door back to truth.

That’s amazing. That is a great lead-in to where we're going to be heading next. I need to make sure we share where people can find you. What is the best spot for people to reach out and learn more about your world?

If you're on Instagram, the name of my business is @TheNewBraveCo. I would love to connect with you on Instagram. I also have a presence on Facebook @TheNewBraveCo. I have the Luminosa playground. It is a free Facebook group that you can jump into. That's a fantastic way to find out more. If you know, “I know I want to do something deep with this woman and have this profound transformation that's available,” then reach out to me directly at Ellie@TheNewBrave.com.

I would love it if you buy my book. You'll automatically be on my email list. You can hear about all the juicy things that are coming up. There are lots of different ways to be in contact. I love to hear from people. I love to hear how this landed for you and if there was an a-ha moment or if there was something that moved you. Your people are my people. You and I are so simpatico. I adore you and your energy. I'm thrilled to get to connect with anybody who's tuning in.

Thank you so much. I got to start by saying thank you so very much for coming on the show. This has been an amazing conversation. There are so many insights and amazing stories. I am grateful that you brought your heart and your warmth to this show. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate you, and I appreciate the work that you're doing in the world. This is good stuff.

That's a wrap. Thank you to the audience for coming on the journey. I know you're leaving with so many great insights. We will see you next time.


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